CombatEffective - Where has my country gone?

Ya can't win. The politicians questionable entitlements become the issue rather than how they are screwing up the nation with thier policys.

When I first heard a politician got a sweet land deal I thought, wow, he did that? Then one hires an illegal nanny. Wow they do that too? Then it's taxes and thaking bribes and kickbacks and keeping money fresh in the refer. Thats what they do. They take whatever is in their capacity to take.

If you belong to an identifiable collective and do not want to be stereotyped with the bad nature of that collective what do you do? Sell out your buds?

I would hold them to the same liberal/fascist standards and legisdlation they hold us too. Facts are irrevelant, it is the nature of the accusation. YOU ARE ALL SCUM unless you can convince me otherwise. Not you guys, the politicians

dw,

You had me on your side... Right up until the liberal/fascist thing. That we are discussing an event in British politics certainly speaks more to the notion that men of all countries should watch their elected officials closely than it does to liberalism or conservatism...

Surely the villain here is self-servitude and the ocean-spanning corruption of the unwatched.

-BB-

Was OT again sorry. But I honestly do see many laws put on us as blatantly fascist. Living comfortable and having what one needs makes us far more tolerant. Especiallty when the fascism is not physicallty threatening us ... yet.

Now I'm intrigued again...

Please Sir... Elucidate.

-BB-

BB give me a few days. I need to find some links and work on how to articulte what I see in a credible and civil manner. Thats gonna be real hard. Thanx a hellofalot I'd want a responese if you ahve the time.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The problem in the US is that the media protects whoever is on the left and is afraid to attack the right since they are funded by the medias corporate owners. The only way that these guys get caught is when they don't oil the machine and then they get punished with public humiliation, but after doing their penance they are welcomed back in.

Appetizer

This guy is full of i but makes a few good points about fascism that relate to what we see.

http://www.hippy.com/php/article-226.html
Hallmarks of a Fascist Regime
By Skip Stone
One leader who has nearly absolute control of government, despite pretense otherwise. There is no effective opposition to his policies.

All opposition held in check through various overt and covert means (although they go thru the motions of being an opposition).

Limited public debate about policies.

Control over media. Media only reports what government allows it to report. Covert Censorship.
Rigged Elections

Constant appeals to Patriotism with lots of flag waving. Flags and/or images of the Leader appear everywhere. Those who don't follow along are singled out and ridiculed.
Vocal Opponents end up dead under mysterious circumstances (Like Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Paul Wellstone for example)
Leader passes laws giving himself even more powers
Controls the masses through Fear Mongering
Scapegoating. Certain class of people blamed for the problems the leader faces, justifying new laws and military actions.

Must have an ongoing war to keep people's minds off how fucked their own government is.
No real policy to improve the lives of the average person.

Leader surrounded only by trusted friends and business people who profit handsomely.
Most actions favor insiders, friends and Corporate entities at the expense of the people. Laws that monitor and control business practices are removed.

Constantly preaching morality to the masses (to cover their own immoral actions)
Government involved in numerous illegal activities, all kept secret through various means.
Violates, disrespects or refuses to agree to World Conventions on Human Rights, international norms of conduct, and other laws. All manner of excuses offered.

Spy agencies given broad new powers and funding.

Government increases covert activities against its own citizens. Citizens are urged to spy on citizens.
Many civil liberties restricted or suspended.

An incredible amount of blood is spilled, with no obvious benefit except to those in power.
Does ANY of this sound familiar where you live?

Then YOU'RE LIVING under Fascism!

Some well known fascists:
Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Marcos, Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Suharto, Sukarno, Pinochet, Milosovich, Bush
Please note at one time or another most of these people were either trained or supported by the US government and had numerous business dealings with US corporations.

Okay... I follow you now!

But enough about the last eight years! What about the current Presidential regime!?!

-Heavy Sarcasm- I JUST couldn't pass that one up!

Please - continue...

-BB-

Is a different angel, but still the same overall, as DW. I see the rise of big government and corporations both as a nessasary evil, and as an evil that will eventually engulf us all. Many of my views will directly conflict with both the Roman Catholic Church and the mainstream of the Baptist Church Conventions. They will also conflict with both the current right and left in US politics. So it should not surprise anyone (including DW) that I see things differently than they do.

I see corporations as governments, some hostile to their own constiuents. Thus corporate execs that get millions in pay and pentions while their corp's make pittance or lose money for their stock holders (and sometimes even bond holders). They also engage in spying on and retaliatory acts against their own employees. My employer does this (which is why I write under a pseudonyme and link my online personna to a city I used to live in). They will take retaliatory action against employees who take college classes or otherwise attempt to better themselves. Or if the (part time) employees try to keep another job, they will either deliberately schedule them for the same hours as their other employer - or just take them off the schedule altoghter.

I see the government school system as fascist. It is funded by taxes and maintains a monopoly by requiring people to support it even if they try to send their children to another school. This is tough enough when the children are college age and the parents have many years of earning power behind them, but it is intolerable for young parents with elementary age children. And the schools indoctrinate the children in religions hostile to Christianity, such as secular humanism, environmentalism, veganism, and multiculturalism, and sometimes blatant communism.

(I am still looking for that mythical political party that has a mix of Costitution Party, Republican Party and a little Libertarian in it.)
TRex

Just a note. Been reading here a while and kmow for a fact that BB is sharp and informed. I won't be able to show much he is unaware of. Not sure why he wants to put me to task. But I am up for it.

btw BB single handedly jump started this blog wiht little effort on his part. I have a new respect for him lol

OK! I gonna go get spell chek now.

And how do you think he got sharp?
By asking a lot of people a lot of very good questions.
Of course, I am sure there was a lot of reading involved
in it also, but you don't get sharp just reading, it
takes some interactive learning too.

TRex

Agreed, I am experienceing his wisdom.

I wanted to show that the Dems are fascist in disguise. The web has unlimited articles and post but most of it is redundant. Most articles about fascism are related to Bush and republicans, Christians (dominionism and Christian recionstructionism) and white fringe element groups. Down the ladder of fascists falls individual and group patriots and military, the police and finally Joe Blow white guy. (IMHO) Like racism, ya gatta be white to be fascist. And the best articulation of us fascists is written by white guys, Go figure The ethnic and sub culture radical groups/fascists get a pass from political criticism as they represent the (LMAO) oppressed and powerless. But McVeigh is posterboy to many for what whites represent. His name comes up in fascist anaylisis. Some academic articles and books are complex tedious reads with much research needed to validate and understand. Not helpful to the comman man that is busy working and trying to make ends meet.

Anyway I am not sure what I was looking for but I did not yet find it. Easy to throw a hundred diverse links about fascist America at you but none of them adressed what I see happening. It's 'NEW' lol.


Change? I think lthe Repubs and Dems have both shifted left. Someone said that todays republican is yesterdays democrat, and todays democrat is a socialist. (fascist in my view).

Note the neocons and the 'new' KKK that ain racist. And the 'new' Black Panthers that doan hate whitey. The 'new Christians that ain inclusive. The new communist that are just socialist. The new compassionate and inclusive military. Lotta new goin on but outside of the observable shift towards socialism and the fascist accusations against conservatives and Christians, things are SOP in relation to the 'lies' and (easily identifiable if you can read) covert agendas.

Tradititioal mainstream academia does not understand diddly about the world. They are stuck is a box and their social science only works in a controlled enviornment. When shit hits fans they know that nobody knows where the winds of radical change wikll blow.

I can only repeat the loss of property rights and rights of assioation in order to adress social enequity, Calling our utter necessity to drive a 'priviledge and depriving us of that priviledge for unrelated crimes. Making the Drivers license a National ID that can be used for any GOV purpose. Driving is outr livelyhood. Make sense to suspend a license over a debt like a fine or child support. Soon to be taxes. And the federal reserve and IRS are the death knoll of our free market but before we all die we did have it pretty good for a long time. I think we will be saved though. The paper wizzards are the most ingenius unelected and alien leaders we have. Besides, killing us now is not convient for the global economic agenda.

McCain Feingold, Fairness Doctrine, hate crime and speech laws. Flying the Stars and Bars is a great offence to be driven out of the public view, but desicrating Old Glory in public is just free expression and that flag is only a symbol, ... no harm done. The Ten Commandment offence. We conservatives are trying to usurp the nation the progressives have advanced? The latest DHD report sums up the progressives fear and view of us. That damn second ammendment can't be re ammended so go after the ammo. Taxes and legislation are a good non violent way of destroying anything. How ironic using taxes and legislation to destroy our ability enguage in violence against what is destroying us.

All I camn do is rant.

BTW this was very interesting> I think all Christians should be aware.


:-http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8117853208483879448

Who are the eal fascists in America?

Chris Hodges is a highly credentialed man.

Put a smiley after my comment about BB's wisdom. I can honestly saay that he has influenced my thinking. But then again so did magellan.

Can't afford to spend over one hour on his video.

Here is the Wiki article on Chris Hedges and his bio and the article that most closely parallels the video.

Now that I have the mechanical stuff out of the way, I should point out three things.

He is a socialist. His own words and Newsbusters, quoting same.

He is pro Arab. This can be seen all thoughout his writings and bio on Truthdig.

Despite the above, I see some of the same problems with the christian right as he does.
One article he wrote kinda tells it (the battle between religious and secular fundamentalists)like I see it.

TRex

I hated the guy the minute ge started talking his Christiphoba bull. I swear the socialist/fascist are trying to stir up fear and violence against Christians and conservatives. Just like the radical Imamns.

Thanx for that bio link. The guy has prestiege but have mixed feeling abut your view of teh threat of Christians. My first thoughts are always; If they are so inclusive and threatening how did they lose power over night? For me Christians are the lesser of all evils even at their worst.

I'd be willing to discuss specefics if you have one in mind. I will be open minded cuz I ain really sure bout nothin anymore.

Remember Napolitano?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98692



Guess who Census banned as 'partners'
Agency seeks out ACORN, but 'blacklists' other groups


http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99452

They want us out of political debate? We wish. They want us out of the public square!

Who is they.? I'll ask Chris Hodges.

Thanx for backing me Rex. I am sorry I whipped and commondeered this thred. I prolly ran everybody off.

Those memories.
http://www.ohthebill.com/

You didn't run me off.
But I am in the middle of something a-kin to mowing a corn field with a lawn mower,
(don't ask, my employer doesn't allow me to talk about my work)
so I will be a bit busy for the next couple weeks.

TRex

Hmm. Will take two weeks. You can't talk about it. It's a big job and the tools are inadequate because of lack of funding.

Mowing a corn field with a lawn mower is the key to figuring this out.

Piece a cake!

Don't worry. I won't tell anybody.

That was a bunch to read... I got through most of it and it just made my head hurt! Not the concepts. Those I get.

I still don't get the fascist argument. That's what got my attention in this thread.

I'm interested in how you guys think on that term in relationship to the government...

-BB-

I can tell by the way you talk you are honest BB and open. And I am sorely lacking. I am extreme on purpose. I consider myself ahead of the curve. What I see will only be blatantly appearant to everybody when it is upon us. That is when it is too late.

What I advocate is the Constitution and simply enforce existing laws. I am a Constitutionalist where ever I can really understand it. Lotta room for left and right in the Constitution. No room for socialists and a controlled manipulative ecxonomy.

Lack of law enforcement and cost of litigation have politically stagnated conservatisms protections.. While issues are tied up in litigation and endless debate the left's agenda always moves forward with more controversal debate, issues and legislation. The system is too big, costly and cumbersome to stop the socialists/soon to be fascists.

I se no way put other than to let it run it;s course and see who was rigth or wrong.

Destroying family values, religeon and social norms are the vanguard of oppression. The issues justifying that destruction are situative and circumstantial depending upon the nation and cuture and the caliber of those seeking power.

Property rights are a visable sign of a free people and maybe the last to go as they are a great source of revenue for the socialist agenda?

Latest Example, the overwelmning majority was against the bail outs an still want the border controlled. (which ot is not)



I am happy if anyone can show me I am wrong or off track. I am really wanting answers to all this and wish I was just pariniod our antiquated

The pedophiles are riding on the coat tails of the gay agenda. I think their coat tails may pass them up ionce gay becomes normal.
http://www.narth.com/docs/pedophNEW.html

The Problem of Pedophilia
Editor's note: Through publicity generated by this paper, and followed up by radio personality Dr. Laura Schlessinger and the Family Research Council, the American Psychological Association and (even more strongly) the American Psychiatric Association have issued statements clarifying that they reject the normalization of pedophilia. We applaud them for making such a strong public statement.
Yet we continue to see editorials which defend the A.P.A. for offering a publishing platform to researchers who fail to see pedophilia as intrinsically harmful. Some well-known psychologists say they see no conclusive evidence of harm to victims of pedophilia. Furthermore, the Journal of Homosexuality continues to prominently feature articles which champion the pedophile-rights movement.
We hope that the A.P.A.'s will continue to reject the claims of pedophile advocates. As a final step, we would like to see the American Psychiatric Association revise its diagnostic terminology back to its former definition, which leaves no room for the possibility of a "psychologically normal" pedophile.

Note

Some well-known psychologists say they see no conclusive evidence of harm to victims of pedophilia. Furthermore, the Journal of Homosexuality continues to prominently feature articles which champion the pedophile-rights movement.



The currant yet evolving unofficial conclusion is;
Pedophilia can be benificial in some cases. What is protecting the worlds oldest perversion from our wrath? Law and order of course? Pretty obvious to see that law and order has to periodically broken by outraged people to stop what we call evil.
Can't mess with the law, it protects us all good and bad. Breaking it is the only way. Who wants to go down in shame for the rest os.
Not me.

OK this is a dw thread, thanx rob, My site died. Just one measily threat ok.

Been doing alot of reading and many You Tubes about the Aztecs because I am tired of hearing about Aztlad/La Raza/leMeChA and the gringo invader in relation to justifying and tolerating the Mexican invasion of the South West. Which is bull cause I saw a large presance of Mexicans in Kansas.

There is much arguement and debate over the origins of those the Aztec conquered. The Toletec had the largest city in the Americas prior to their falL. Seems like the Aztecs just conquered what was and just made it larger and more oppressive. A little like what like what the West is up against minus the freedom thing. And as usual, when it comes to research of the pre Columbian Americas, outside of debate over archealogical digs and the heiroglyphics written by the ruling elites, any WRITTEN documentation of origins and nature of tribal empires are from Spanish archives and also questionable as they were written by the Conquistadors and their biographers and priests justiying their conquest over barbarous peoples for profit. But for the neo Mexican/Aztlander, the 100% unreliable word of mouth tradition of illiterate people preserving their own god and history is good enough for Catholic, Spanish speaking offspring of the Conquistador posing as our victim and wanting a second chance called 'Reconquista'. LMAO

Even so, the Aztec were not the good guys if 'victim' is the standard of comparrison. They started out victim but grew and progressed through warfare. Hey, I applaud that. I'd rather be an oppressor than a sacrifice. They were not Christians with a god demanding their OWN self sacrifice. Well uh? OK, that came later along with the Spanish guns, germs and steel.

I think the discriminated and oppressed indigenous tribes of Mexico have a good case for a major lawsuit against the Mexican government if Mexicans are going to claim to be the children of Aztecs. Especially as they were most likely a main source of the hundreds of thouisands of sacrificial victims. Again, LMAO.

The Mexicans. The children of the Aztec/victim. Or the children of the conquistador?

Here it's that progressive European thing that allows minority ethnics to minimize, maximize or even change their race/idenity according to advantage over whites that created the golf like handicap just for them. If we have a Black President, how hard is it to see an end of prefference and favoritism is in order.

Funny how the last to become civilized want to glorify our past evils and barbarism and ignor their own. My read says we progressed them away from their barbarism. Where evver WE have not oppresed they are still barbarians.

We all come from a barbarous past. We need real leaders to lead us away form those that drag us backward with accusation and forced defence from accusation. Until then? The above is mty response.

thanx rob. My last rant here. Even I know when to quit.

Worry not, DW. This has been an interesting thread to follow (I get emails whenever anyone comments)...it started about gov't corruption and covered everything from the POTUS to pedophiles and now the Aztecs.

LMBO luv ya Rob. Thanx. Like you said. I da man. Hope BB doan give up on me.